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Brahan Seer
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Posted - 2014.08.20 08:35:00 -
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@CCP Falcon / CSM's / The EvE community as a whole.
Hello all,
I would like to start what will be a long post by saying its about 2am my time and I honestly couldn't sleep until I posted this. The idea of this post going through my mind over and over again until I said screw it and decided to start typing.
My name is Joe, I went to school for video game design and than pursued a carrier in IT, where I currently a Director of IT. I state this because I want you know know I am someone of educated statnding and wish to have people think really long and hard about what I am going to say.
How I currently understand this situation is simple. CCP legal didn't approve this matter and/or Somerset didn't agree to the terms outlined in being able to sell PLEX or whatever. Now I don't know all the particulars in this situation and I doubt anyone outside the realm of CCP will ever know, I want to pose this to everyone, especially CCP.
I appreciate that you guys want to be transparent and let us as a community understand this situation so we can trust a proper and fair out come will previel, but lets not kid our selves CCP as a whole has allowed far more cancerous and inconsistant things happen in this game than SomerBlink or RMT. Being this is EvE a game where mistrust and politics are the name of the game to often has truely toxic behavior been allowed to flourish. To many corps have scared people off with their scams or the abusive way the sov system works that has run off countless players. And by scams I don't refer to the obvious contract folks in jita. I mean the players who are offered a home move with all their belongings and than are held ransom.
So let me ask. Whats worse for our game and our community? SomerBlinks supposed RMT, or such toxic behavior that cripples a player so severly that they leave?
Than ask, who has quit over SomerBlink?
I personally spend my days sitting in a station spinning my ship or playing SomerBlink while I wait for a CTA to come up and go to work flying for my corp doing what is required. I am a player who has played off and on since closed beta.
Now I can only speak for myself and hopefully (what I think) is a silent majority who love Somer. That would be devastated if such a fun and creative service is closed for good. In so many dev blogs and posts, the staff at CCP have been amazed with the creativity of its players using features never thought of in the development process and have always hailed this communities spirit. Is this not one of its crown jewels? Adding a fun social idea to allow plaers another avenue to enjoy this game and its community? A place where I see reds and blues and nuets all coming together to enjoy a fun (and sometimes isk crippling) game?
I ask as a player, as a developer as someone who just loves the concept of EvE, regardless of the outcome of whatever happens to Somerset that SomerBlink be allowed to stay and floruish and remain a mainstay of creativity of what this community can do. I personally don't want to see that creative flame die. We all know EvE is up against a wall with Star Citizen coming. So I ask lets not tear down a thing that helps make this game enjoyable and focus on real community issues that offer true harm to its players and community. Taking down SomerBlink isn't just bad the community its bad for Business.
Sorry for any typoes as I wrote this in the IGB.
Thank you for your time reading this long post.
Brahan Seer |

Brahan Seer
EVE Protection Agency Bloodline.
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Posted - 2014.08.20 08:43:00 -
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Arkady Romanov wrote:Brahan Seer wrote:a long post It's a pity you didn't bother to read the first dozen or so pages of this thread, because if you had, you could have saved yourself the effort of writing this horribly ignorant post. Somer hung himself by trying to engage in RMT for the second time. End of story.
Coming from the most toxic corp in the game, your corp has run off more players than a thousand RMT's would ever have done |

Brahan Seer
EVE Protection Agency Bloodline.
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Posted - 2014.08.20 09:23:00 -
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Arrendis wrote:K1ng Splurge wrote:GÇ£It is better to risk saving a guilty person than to condemn an innocent one.GÇ¥ Blackstone's Principle. The phrasing I prefer is: "It is better that a hundred guilty men go free than a single innocent be punished. For if innocence is no defense, then the common man will cry, 'What value hath virtue?' " That said, I stand by my statement that you are the only one calling for your head: K1ing Splurge wrote:Surely banning somer or the punishment should be equal to those who took part? The rest of us seem quite content to see the actual malfeasance punished, and let the dupes walk.
Shocked I am finding myself in agreemtn with most of what you say.
But at the end of the night none of us know what was truely agreed upon. Somer may or not be innocnet but this worthless speculation by everyone is becoming tireless. My personal belief is that this has always been a labor of love for Somerset and the somerblink staff. I fail to see a reason to undermine and possible destroy it. Maybe this was a reasonable misunderstanding maybe it wasn't but spinning this one way or another doesn't benefit anyone :/ |

Brahan Seer
EVE Protection Agency Bloodline.
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Posted - 2014.08.20 09:33:00 -
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Arrendis wrote:Brahan Seer wrote:Somer may or not be innocnet but this worthless speculation by everyone is becoming tireless. My personal belief is that this has always been a labor of love for Somerset and the somerblink staff. I fail to see a reason to undermine and possible destroy it. Maybe this was a reasonable misunderstanding maybe it wasn't but spinning this one way or another doesn't benefit anyone :/ Minor quibble: I believe you mean 'tiresome'. Substantive reply: As a point, right now we have absolutely no evidence that CCP forced Somer to shut Blink down. He did that. He is the only one who destroyed the part of his operation that wasn't breaking any rules. By his own words this decision was his. That's not speculation. That's what he said, on his site. To assert anything else is speculation.
Yeah typoes getting a bit rough at this hour and it's "she" but you are correct, she or one of the staffers put up the message stating they took it down and CCP didn't request or force the closure. Not sure if it's just the stress or a show of good will that they want to make this right. just not sure, all I know is its a bummer espeically during a celebration :( |

Brahan Seer
EVE Protection Agency Bloodline.
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Posted - 2014.08.20 09:35:00 -
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KaRa DaVuT wrote:"When elephants start to fight, the grass will always smashed the ground"
Somer vs CCP.. The grass is the innocents K1ng Splurge talks about.
This is just the case.
I wont believe that CCP is %100 innocent, also Somer did things against some rules. It is obvious. They should not drop the ball because Somer closes its doors.
The party who punish the guilty is the one also a part of the problem. THat makes me thinkg that If they will be fair or not... I except them to be righteous, and treat Somer like every other RMT'er. That at least, maybe calm the community and they could gain a wee bit trust that they lost during the process.
Your operating on the assumption that Somer is guilty. |

Brahan Seer
EVE Protection Agency Bloodline.
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Posted - 2014.08.20 09:42:00 -
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Enaris Kerle wrote:Brahan Seer wrote:But at the end of the night none of us know what was truely agreed upon. That's right. However, the mail chain that Somer published in his defense (and in violation of the ToS, I might add) doesn't actually defend him - in fact, it shows that what he got approved by CCP doesn't match what he actually implemented later. (Also since this isn't a criminal trial, we don't need evidence beyond a reasonable doubt, and the evidence we do have suggests that the fault lies with Somer.)
I'm sure their is fault on both sides to some extent. I think we can all agree upon that. But what I encourage people to think about is, Just to play devils advocat for a moment. What if Somer is guilty and maliciously thought she had a loophole to make money and sell isk or whatever. has that personally affected you? Would her doing RMT out weigh the good SomerBlink has done for the community and players? If it doesn't out weigh the good how do you punish? Because realistically if you ban somer a lot of parties get punished by proxy. Is that nessesarily fair? No. But it's the reality of the situation. |

Brahan Seer
EVE Protection Agency Bloodline.
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Posted - 2014.08.20 09:59:00 -
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Enaris Kerle wrote:Brahan Seer wrote:What if Somer is guilty and maliciously thought she had a loophole to make money and sell isk or whatever. has that personally affected you? Would her doing RMT out weigh the good SomerBlink has done for the community and players? If it doesn't out weigh the good how do you punish? Because realistically if you ban somer a lot of parties get punished by proxy. Is that nessesarily fair? No. But it's the reality of the situation. No, Somer RMTing hasn't affected me. Neither has Bernie Madoff's ponzi scheme, and he was quite widely known as a philantropist as well. Still doesn't mean he didn't break the rules and shouldn't be punished for it.
Thats a pretty big stretch don't yeah think? like come on man :/ |

Brahan Seer
EVE Protection Agency Bloodline.
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Posted - 2014.08.20 10:01:00 -
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Jerin Crank wrote:Brahan Seer wrote:Enaris Kerle wrote:Brahan Seer wrote:But at the end of the night none of us know what was truely agreed upon. That's right. However, the mail chain that Somer published in his defense (and in violation of the ToS, I might add) doesn't actually defend him - in fact, it shows that what he got approved by CCP doesn't match what he actually implemented later. (Also since this isn't a criminal trial, we don't need evidence beyond a reasonable doubt, and the evidence we do have suggests that the fault lies with Somer.) I'm sure their is fault on both sides to some extent. I think we can all agree upon that. But what I encourage people to think about is, Just to play devils advocat for a moment. What if Somer is guilty and maliciously thought she had a loophole to make money and sell isk or whatever. has that personally affected you? Would her doing RMT out weigh the good SomerBlink has done for the community and players? If it doesn't out weigh the good how do you punish? Because realistically if you ban somer a lot of parties get punished by proxy. Is that nessesarily fair? No. But it's the reality of the situation. To rephrase your devils advocate proposition slightly "Would the discovery of a legit way to RMT isk for $ out weight the good SomerBlink has done for the community and players?". CCP had two choices, they could either declare the scheme legit and watch as every RMTer in the game moves to some variation of this scheme, or they had to declare the scheme not allowed, close it down and hand out appropriate punishment.
So do what was done last time. Just don't have the plex service. maybe ding the somer corp wallet for the isk and be done with it. Would that not be the fairest corse of action without hurting the community that plays somer? |

Brahan Seer
EVE Protection Agency Bloodline.
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Posted - 2014.08.20 10:10:00 -
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Nevyn/Enaris
Were still assuming she is guilty which we can't be certain of. Does it look good from what we do know? Absolutely not. But will just have to wait to see how it pans out.
Enaris As far as your question I truely don't have a good answer for that. Personally I could care less about RMT to be frank. And ill leave it at that as my reason would derail this convo. I just think banning somer having blink be dead does more harm to more people than good. Yes somer closed blink not CCP I get that but the two are related obviously. |
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